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1 Hello Tim and Barbara.

I can confirm Tim's marriage information. I also have the following:

1) Thomas Harvey married Ally Gregory on 4 Dec 1830. Sponsor being John O'Neal and Owen Harvey. A daughter Ann Harvey was baptized 27 Jan 1833.

2) Bernard Harvey of Clonalig married Mary Gregory, also of Clonalig on 22 Oct 1894. Sponsors being Bernard McCoy and Rose McGeeney.

3) Owen Harvassey married Mary Gregerey on 10 Jan 1800. Sponsors being James McParlan and Eleoner Hinimnah.

Children:
Anne 15 July 1801
Bryan 19 Jan 1803

I was told by my cousin Sean Harvey, that when he was in school he had to use the old spelling of O'h Airmheasaigh and that is why you will see the spelling of Harvassey.

Unfortunately the baptisms do not include sponsors.

I hope this answers more questions then it raises. I will try to scan the marriage records and share if you wish. Only 2 pages.

On a visit to Crossmaglen in 1991 I went to St. Patrick's Church to seek a baptism record for my great-grand father, Owen Harvey, and his parent's marriage record. The parish priest at the time said all the old records had been sent to Dublin to be microfilmed and were returned with a copy of the microfilm and a computer printout by NAME. I did not have to know dates as the list was simply by last name of the male. He copied the marriages for Harvey males and baptism for Harvey's. I also received the list for my great-grandmother's Callan name.

I keep my records in family file folders and recently started noting on the front of the folder what records are in each. I use Family Tree Maker to tie the relatives together and input the information. I go through things and make list of what is missing. Not the best method.

I was very fortunate that I started while some older relatives were still living and had kept in touch with each other. My grandfather's cousin, Thomas Harvey, son of Cornelius, stayed in contact with Helen Harvey Begley, daughter of John Harvey, in New York. The family tale was that their fathers came over on the boat together. Don't think that is true. Helen kept in touch with Patrick (Packie) Harvey on the family farm in Crossmaglen. I wrote to Packie and was in correspondence (I later found out with his daughter Mary Watters) for years before making the trip. We were welcomed like true family. On our second night there was a big family dinner at Mary's house with aunts, uncles brothers and cousins. We were up until 2 in the morning singing and having a wonderful time. We even stayed at Mary's that night. In 2002, Mary's brother Sean was at my house one week and I was in his in Ireland the next.

I have found distant and lost cousins on my mother's side of the family via Ancestry and it is great to find cousins on my fathers side. I am happy to share information and ideas.

Hope this is not to much at once.

Best regards,
Tim Harvey




-----Original Message-----
From: Tgharvey2@aol.com
To: timceccles58@yahoo.com; EICEHS@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: Harvey's of South Armagh

Hello Tim and Barbara.

I can confirm Tim's marriage information. I also have the following:

1) Thomas Harvey married Ally Gregory on 4 Dec 1830. Sponsor being John O'Neal and Owen Harvey. A daughter Ann Harvey was baptized 27 Jan 1833.

2) Bernard Harvey of Clonalig married Mary Gregory, also of Clonalig on 22 Oct 1894. Sponsors being Bernard McCoy and Rose McGeeney.

3) Owen Harvassey married Mary Gregerey on 10 Jan 1800. Sponsors being James McParlan and Eleoner Hinimnah.

Children:
Anne 15 July 1801
Bryan 19 Jan 1803

I was told by my cousin Sean Harvey, that when he was in school he had to use the old spelling of O'h Airmheasaigh and that is why you will see the spelling of Harvassey.

Unfortunately the baptisms do not include sponsors.

I hope this answers more questions then it raises. I will try to scan the marriage records and share if you wish. Only 2 pages.

On a visit to Crossmaglen in 1991 I went to St. Patrick's Church to seek a baptism record for my great-grand father, Owen Harvey, and his parent's marriage record. The parish priest at the time said all the old records had been sent to Dublin to be microfilmed and were returned with a copy of the microfilm and a computer printout by NAME. I did not have to know dates as the list was simply by last name of the male. He copied the marriages for Harvey males and baptism for Harvey's. I also received the list for my great-grandmother's Callan name.

I keep my records in family file folders and recently started noting on the front of the folder what records are in each. I use Family Tree Maker to tie the relatives together and input the information. I go through things and make list of what is missing. Not the best method.

I was very fortunate that I started while some older relatives were still living and had kept in touch with each other. My grandfather's cousin, Thomas Harvey, son of Cornelius, stayed in contact with Helen Harvey Begley, daughter of John Harvey, in New York. The family tale was that their fathers came over on the boat together. Don't think that is true. Helen kept in touch with Patrick (Packie) Harvey on the family farm in Crossmaglen. I wrote to Packie and was in correspondence (I later found out with his daughter Mary Watters) for years before making the trip. We were welcomed like true family. On our second night there was a big family dinner at Mary's house with aunts, uncles brothers and cousins. We were up until 2 in the morning singing and having a wonderful time. We even stayed at Mary's that night. In 2002, Mary's brother Sean was at my house one week and I was in his in Ireland the next.

I have found distant and lost cousins on my mother's side of the family via Ancestry and it is great to find cousins on my fathers side. I am happy to share information and ideas.

Hope this is not to much at once.

Best regards,
Tim Harvey
 
Family F89
 
2 -----Original Message-----
From: Tgharvey2@aol.com
To: EICEHS@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 2:57 pm
Subject: Harvey's of South Armagh

Hi Barbara,

My great-grandfather was Owen Harvey (1860-1930). He was from Drummuckavall, Crossmaglen. He was the son of Owen and Ann Daly Harvey. I know that he had a sisters Bridget and Margaret and brothers Patrick, Cornelius, and Peter. Bridget never married. She lived on the family farm with her brother Patrick.

Patrick married Susan Coleman. Patrick and Susan had 3 children (John, Mary and Owen). John came to New York. Married and had one daughter, Helen. Helen died in 2006.
Owen married Sarah McArdle. They had at least 7 children. Patrick (Packie), Mary, Francis, Susan, Rosemary, Owen (Ownie) and John. I was first over in 1991 and had the pleasure of meeting most of the family. Packie had the farm at that time.Franic and Rosemary were deceased. Packie, Susan and Ownie have died since. I last saw Packie in 2004. I don't know if this Ownie is the same one you met a few years ago. His wife was Katherine and just past away a few months ago. They actually lived in Hackballscross, Tavenamore, Co. Louth.

Cornelius came to the states and lived here in Baltimore. He had 2 sons, both deceased and with no descendants.

There are a number of Harvey families in South Armagh. In fact there was a Harvey family on the farm next to the family farm, but no known relation.

I don't know if I have given you to much information, but would love to hear back from you.

Regards,
Tim Harvey 
Harvey Drumuckaval, Owen (I182)
 
3 #28 Premier coffin Gregory, Evangeline C. (I479)
 
4 (Research):Another possible wife is Nancy McCollum who was from Cullybacky, Ireland. Married 25 Oct 1835; Cullybackey, Ballymena, County Antrim, Ireland; Married in Cunningham Memorial Presbyterian Church. There marriage was witnessed by Alex Gordon and James McCollum Craig, Elizabeth (I1593)
 
5 (Research):First name may not be Gail McIlrath, Gail (I1363)
 
6 (Research):He step father was Roy Hall who lived across the street form the McIlraths. The Halls were known for their music playing abilities and used to play at all the town dances. Caulkins, Myrtle (I775)
 
7 (Research):May have used the first name Nathaniel McKinney, Nathaniel or Mortimer (I341)
 
8 (Research):Tradition amoung the McIlrath families in Ireland is that three McIlrath brothers came from scotland, probably from Ayreshire, at or about the time of the persecutions in Scotland perhaps between the years 1661 - 1689. Two of the brothers settled in county Antrim, North ireland and one brother settled in Clounty Down, North Ireland. This was told to William McIlrath of Newtownards, North ireland, County Down by his grandfather William McIlrath of Ballyclare, county Antrim (date unknown) who in turn received the information from his grandfather Hugh McIlrath of Ballyclare, County Antrim.

The name was spelled in four different ways McIrath, McElrath, McIrrath, and McIgrath. It is though that McIlraths in Tnn., Canada, and California all share the common root name. 
McIlrath, Hugh (I391)
 
9 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I1560)
 
10 -----Original Message-----
From: Tgharvey2@aol.com
To: EICEHS@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: Harvey's of South Armagh

Barbara,

Ownie's sister Mary Hanratty is still living (90) and his brother John (84). Both live between Dundalk and Crossmaglen Ireland. There are many Harvey descendants. I keep in touch with Packie's son Sean via e-mail.

My father, John Harvey Jr. died in Dec 2006. He was very proud to have been able to make several trips back to the family homestead. My mother is mostly of German heritage. She will be 80 in a week.

Of the Harvey relatives here in the states, we are few. I am one of 5 children. My father's brother Gene also has 5 children. This is all that remained of the Harvey's in Baltimore, Maryland. My grandfather, John Harvey Sr (1896-1951) only had 2 sisters and neither had children.

As stated, Cornelius Harvey had 2 sons (Joseph and Thomas) and neither had children.

Helen Harvey Begley (died 2006) has a son in New York and a daughter in Florida. It was through Helen that I was able to get back to Crossmaglen.

I have not been in touch with anyone else regarding Harveys or other families from South Armagh. My great-grandmother, Mary Callan Harvey, was from Tavenamore, Co. Louth just south of the border with Armagh. Mary Callan Harvey's sister, Alice Callan, married Owen Harvey's brother Cornelius.

On one of my early trips I got copies of the records for all Harveys married or baptized in St Patrick's church in Crossmaglen. If you have a name I can check for you, let me know.

Regards,
Tim 
Harvey, John Sr (T's gdad) (I296)
 
11 Gregory, Christopher (I506)
 
12 00102332 Family F1019
 
13 0033355 McCullough, Andrew Jackson (I485)
 
14 14MP-KN7 Armstrong, Francis (I52)
 
15 14MP-KPF Bennett, Frances (I53)
 
16 14MP-LX2 Armstrong, Francis (I45)
 
17 14MP-LZ8 Russell, Mary (I46)
 
18 14MP-MJQ Armstrong, Francis (I41)
 
19 14MP-MTL Kirby, Rebecca (I42)
 
20 14MP-T7W Elkins, Winnifred (I31)
 
21 14MQ-4DG Armstrong, Philemon (I47)
 
22 14MQ-PB0 Swain, James (I39)
 
23 14MQ-PC6 Anne Jennette (I40)
 
24 14MQ-PGS Swayne, Mary (I38)
 
25 14MX-S94 Kirby, Matthew (I43)
 

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